. >> president obama speaking on "hardball." what kind of reforms do you imagine the president is talking about? >> the way he phrases it as self-restraint will not be enough. the nsa internally has privacy rules that it violates on a regular basis. it cannot be trusted to police itself. that is not how our democracy works. the most important thing and that we hope the white house and congress will endorse is changing the statutes and rules that they cannot collect information on everyday americans not suspected of doing anything wrong. >> this what -- if you would say. how would the government and nsa protect us if everything is transparent? >> nobody is calling them to name terrorist targets or explain who they are spying on, we are asking that they explain the basic parameters. the legal underpinnings. in the united states, we have a secret court making secret law. there's a lot of information with the main public that is not going to tip off the bad guys but allow us to have an informed debate since 9/11. >> yahoo!, twitter,